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TomI



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:29 am    Post subject: Audio + ISO Reply with quote

Hi,

I am currently evaluating Gear Pro. I am trying to figure out how to append an ISO image to an Audio Session. My ISO image is a hybrid MAC/PC image so I can't just add the files in a new session.

On the Compare Features page there is an item that says Burn BIN\CUE images to CD-Audio. For the life of me, I can't figure out how to get that to work. I create my first session as a multisession and don't check the close box. Then when I try to right click on the drive after I have burned the audio to use the Write BIN\CUE feature, it complains about the disc.

Also...on your feature comparison it shows the Write BIN\CUE feature in the CDRW product. I don't see that option in that product.

I have tried this in another burning application and it almost works. another burning application seems to corrupt my ISO image slightly for some reason...must be a bug. Some files are OK...some are corrupt. I thought about contacting their support but...well...we all know about another burning application support.

I also spent $99 on another burning application 8 because I was told I could do this...well...no dice there. Sucks that they don't have a trial version. I don't really care for their product either.

Having said that...I really like your product as it compares to another burning application and another burning application. I sure hope that it can solve my problem.

TIA

Tom
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neilwilkes
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What type of disc are you trying to create here?
If it's what used to be called CD-Extra, you create the Audio part first, then add the ROM content afterwards.
AFAIK, once it's an image, you cannot add anything to it unless you first take the image and convert it back to a GEAR Project.

To write a BIN/CUE, simply right-click on the burner down the lower half of the project window, and the option will be there.
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TomI



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Neil,

Thanks for the reply. It is a CD-Extra. The extra part is a hybrid image, however...meaning it will work in a MAC or PC. The MAC will only see the MAC files and the PC will only see the PC files. I use a great little program called MacImage to do that.

Once that ISO image is created with MacImage, there is no way to access the MAC files from a PC...so I can add them directly to a project.

So...I do write the audio files first as an open session...then I was right clicking below to add the BIN/CUE file (I use another program to convert the ISO to a BIN/CUE). No matter how I set up the first session, I can't get Gear Pro to write the BIN/CUE. It keeps complaining about the disc with the open multisession. It will write fine to a new disc.

How do I need to set up the first session to get Gear Pro to allow me to write that BIN/CUE. I feel like I have tried all the options Sad

Thank you very much for your time!

Tom
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as the CD-Extra part goes, I have to confess I have not yet used GEAR Pro ME for this.
The options I have seen seem to add the data first, then the Audio content.
But I also have to admit I've not yet looked closely enough to say it's not there with any certainty.
Why?
I use WaveLab for this, as WaveLab has better PQ options compared to GPME, and it's audio CD creation is just a lot more specialised.

The way it works in WaveLab is simple:
Create your basic Audio CD first, either in the basic creation or from a montage.
Tick the little box marked "Make compatible for CD-Extra".
The Audio CD part then writes,, and the disc can be loaded back into WaveLab and the data portion is them written.

Done this way, it's not red book any more obviously.
The CD-A files cannot be seen ion a computer browser done like this - all you see are the data files.
I normally use this to add WMV and MOV files, sometimes the ghastly MP3 if the client wants it.

With BIN/CUE, you cannot do what you are trying to do - the BIN part is a binary ofg the disc image, and the CUE part tells it what's there for a player or ROM drive.
When you burn a BIN from a CUE sheet in GEAR, you must have a blank disc there ready to be burned.
To create a multisession disc in GEAR, you also have to make sure in the project settings that the disc is left open for multisession - by default, it is set to close the session - at which point, nothing more can be added.

I think your problem lies in using a disc image as the data section.
An Image will be telling the burniong utility that the disc size is already determined, and it's a closed session at this point, from memory.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom,
To write a BIN/CUE image, just right-click on the drive in the device window, and choose "write BIN/CUE image".

An ISO image contains the file system, as well as the content of a CD or DVD. You can't create a new disc project, then append an ISO image, as you would have 2 file systems (and you can only have one!).
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TomI



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the URL on the MACImage Site that details the instructions. I think the key is that it "does" need to be a new file system on the CD. Actually...in this case, two new file systems for a total of three counting the audio tracks. After playing around a little bit more, it seems as if the BIN/CUE method does not work.

What I was able to do with Gear Pro was create a track 1 containing the ISO and then add a track 2 that contained all the audio songs. There are two problems with this. One is that there is no way to do that with two sessions in Gear Pro and the other problem is that the Audio tracks need to be first and there doesn't seem to be a way to append an ISO session. In this case there only ends up being one session. The net result is the CD Player plays track 1 which...well...doesn't sound too good. All the other tracks play perfect and the ISO image works perfect in a MAC and in a PC.

So...basically...what I need to be able to do is create a first session that creates all the audio tracks and then a second session which is my ISO that I created with MacImage.

Does anyone else know of another method or program that will allow me to achieve the ultimate goal of having a CD Extra disc that will work in a MAC and PC? Basically...and audio CD that has an HFS and ISO 9660 file system. CD Extra with a Hybrid Data Track.

I really appreciate all of your feedback, I was looking into WaveLab a little. Their features seem to suggest this possibility...but they don't offer a demo that allows you to burn a disc. They left that functionality out.

It doesn't seem like it should be this hard to make a Audio Extra PC/MAC disc Sad

Thanks!


Tom
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom,
I'm sorry... my first answer wasn't as helpful as you had hoped for.

To explain what I meant... ISO-9660 or UDF are file systems. CD-Audio tracks don't have either of these file systems... they are simply CD tracks. OK... maybe you knew that already... I just wanted to be clear.

You want to produce a "CD Extra", or Blue-book CD. GEAR can do this...
http://www.gearsoftware.com/support/knowledgebase/articledisplay.cfm?articleid=12

But... normally, when you append a multi-session disc in GEAR, you simply add the files you want to the second session. I'm not sure how we would deal with appending a multi-session CD with a physical image. I understand why you want to do this (to maintain Mac compatibility). I'll have to bounce this question off of our developers, and get back to you.
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TomI



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tom!

I did read that FAQ and understand that you can write the CD Extra. We are totally on the same page now...regarding the MAC HFS file system Smile

Your software seems to be just about there. The only thing you really need to be able to do is create a second track, in a second session, that is an ISO. What would be the most ideal is if you could create a CD Extra disc and simply select an ISO for the second Track/Session and everything else could be automatic. That would be something that doesn't exist (or at least I can't find after 24 hours of looking).

I used to do it with another burning application 6...but for some reason I get slight corruption with another burning application 7. It is not a clean implementation in another burning application either. Perhaps I will have to uninstall another burning application & and try 6 again.

I guess in the mean I time I will have to continue my search for a solution. Sad

Regards,

Tom
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ Tom Vaughan

Thanks for the pointer on CD-Extra through GEAR.
Appreciated.

@Tom.
You are not ever going to be able to add the ISO image as the second session. This is because an ISO is a disc image, not a session, and as such already contains it's own file system.
To create the CD-Extra, you have to create the Audio part first, leave the session open, then add the data files.
As far as the whole MAC compatibility thing goes, I don't actually see any problems:
Create the 2 sets of files, one PC compatible, and one MAC compatible.
What exactly are the data files you are wanting to include?
If Video, then we always add both .MOV and .WMV, this way all is covered.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil,
Never say never...

Each session would have it's own file system, with sector addresses starting from logical sector zero. Each session is like a separate disc. So technically, I think it would be possible. I just need to figure out the command sequence to instruct the GEAR engine to import the physical image into the second session of Tom's disc volume. I'm pretty sure it is possible if you are using GEARWorks (our underlying engine)... and most of the power of the GEARWorks engine is available through GEAR commands in our GEAR PRO versions. But I'm not a GEAR developer... I have to check with the real experts.

For example, you can make nearly any kind of CD using a Tracklist File in GEAR.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never it is then.

I await developments......
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Craig Dallimore



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any news on this issue?


(Hi Neil - see you on the Encore boards)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try writing the .CUE sheet to include binary audio file(s) for the Audio-CD track(s) with a separate binary image for the ROM data...

GEAR can burn bin/cue as Neil says, however I don't think it'll take a .cue sheet that references WAVE/MP3 audio files...

...same goes for GEAR's Track List File...

Try writing out the entire .cue sheet and put the pre/post gap data where it should be and give that a whirl
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